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Things I learned feeding seven preteens: make the meal bigger, not the portions smaller
Things I learned feeding seven preteens: make the meal bigger, not the portions smaller
Misc Advice

Years ago I had seven preteens in the house, often plus whatever friends they had invited to stay for dinner without warning.

I'm suddenly feeding a much bigger household again, including growing kids, and grocery prices being what they are, I've been remembering all the little tricks I used back then.

Most advice about stretching a food budget seems to focus on making the main dish cheaper; use less meat, substitute something cheaper, make beans instead, etc. I did some of that, obviously, but mostly I didn't stretch the main dish. I stretched the meal around it.

If I had enough chicken for the casserole I normally made, I made the casserole. If we were having hamburgers, everybody still got a hamburger. I just made sure the expensive part of dinner wasn't responsible for filling seven or ten or twelve hungry stomachs all by itself.

One of my best tricks was simply feeding the first wave of hunger before dinner. I'd hand out apples about an hour beforehand. A kid who has eaten an apple is still perfectly capable of eating dinner, they’re just no longer approaching it like a starved wolf. 

On hamburger night I'd cut an entire bag of potatoes into oven fries, skins and all, shake them in a bag with some oil, salt and pepper, and cover as many cookie sheets as the oven would hold. Then I’d make sure the fries were always ready before the hamburgers.  The kids would descend upon them. By the time the hamburgers were ready, one hamburger apiece, plus vegetables and whatever else we were having, was plenty.

Sometimes a casserole was mysteriously "taking forever.” Especially if the kids invited some extra kids to dinner unexpectedly.  "Oh well. Here are some biscuits while you're waiting. And applesauce. There are cheese sandwiches too." After everybody had been eating for a while I’d bring out the casserole. "Oh, finally! The casserole is done."

Then out came the perfectly ordinary casserole, with green beans and more biscuits. Nobody thought dinner was stingy. As far as the kids were concerned, they'd been eating for half an hour.

I kept Jiffy corn muffin mixes by the dozen. It was insurance against just that sort of thing.  "Oh, how nice! You invited three friends to stay for dinner!" We're having cornbread. And some other stuff. Until then here’s some peanut butter and bread and apples. 

Pasta always got what I privately called decorative vegetables, usually the inexpensive dollar frozen bags. The whole bag, maybe two. Peas, broccoli, carrots, mixed vegetables, whatever went with it. Yes, they made the pasta colorful. They also mysteriously produced several additional servings without taking anything out of the original meal. Spaghetti got spinach, usually.  Then, at dinner time, a veg or fruit of a different color was on the plate too. Tonight, we are having chicken and noodles. There will be at least a whole bag of frozen peas in there. And then I’ll slice tomatoes on the plate, maybe some applesauce will show up. The plate will be full, full of colors, good tastes, and no one will know I used two small chicken breasts for nine people. 

Pickles were another great one. Not a precious little jar of fancy pickles but a giant cheap gallon jar of dill pickles you get in the ‘commercial food’ aisle at the grocery store. 

Hand those out and kids will happily eat what amounts to an entire big cucumber in pickle form. Nobody has to ask whether they can have another one, the answer will be yes, go for it. There are approximately nine thousand pickles. Here’s some cold water to wash them down. Supper will be ready in 20 minutes. 

That was actually an important part of the system: some things on the table should feel unlimited. Bread, biscuits, cornbread, potatoes, or apples. Also applesauce, pickles and rice. Whatever was inexpensive that week and that the kids actually liked.

I baked an ungodly amount of bread in those days. I don't intend to resume that particular level of insanity, and God bless cheap grocery-store wheat bread. But biscuits and cornbread are still wonderful because at 5 PM you can look at dinner, realize it isn't going to be enough, and manufacture a substantial addition from pantry ingredients. 

Don’t sleep on generic bisquick biscuits served with cheap applesauce as a pre-dinner snack. Actually, desserts and snacks work the same way.

Today I had a gigantic zucchini I bought at the farmers market for a dollar. I grated it into a huge batch of snack cake with eggs, flour, brown sugar and two cans of fruit that had been ignored in my pantry forever. I baked some in cast-iron skillets for people to eat today and a big sheet pan that I'm cutting into lunchbox squares. It isn't a nutritional powerhouse but it's a nice homemade snack made mostly from inexpensive things I already had, and it means I’m not pestered for expensive boughten snacks. 

And that's really the thing I'm remembering now. I don’t make the normal nutritious meal smaller if you don't have to. I make the meal bigger around it.

Two chicken breasts can look pretty inadequate if dinner is two chicken breasts divided among a crowd. Two chicken breasts chopped into a big pan of creamy noodles with peas and other vegetables, accompanied by bread, a different-colored fruit or vegetable on the side, and snack cake afterward, is a very generous dinner. The chicken is still there. The vegetables are still there. Nobody's being handed half a hamburger and told to be grateful. You're just supplying some of the calories hungry growing people need with inexpensive foods instead of expecting meat, cheese, or the main dish to provide all of them.

And if the kids are absolutely ravenous, put the cheap, filling, good thing in front of them first. They aren't being tricked. They can still eat as much dinner as they want. You're just recognizing that a starving teenager will eat an expensive four dollar hamburger  with exactly the same enthusiasm with which they'll eat a fifty- cent oven fried potato.

When we get together now, the kids don’t talk about how we ate "poor people food.". They do ask about their favorite dishes. Their friends liked staying for dinner. There was usually a lot of food on the table, and an unexpected kid was welcome.

That's what I was actually trying to accomplish. Not "How little can I spend feeding these kids?" More like "How can I make sure nobody at my table experiences dinner as scarce?"


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I’ve saved my first $1000 and I feel amazing!
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Something you should understand about public housing
Something you should understand about public housing
Housing/Shelter/Standard of Living

I see a lot of posts online, not just here, telling people to apply for public housing. These people obviously do not understand how it works.

You can't just walk in and apply. There are waiting lists, and you can't just walk in and ask to be put on the waiting list. You have to wait until it's open, and it may only be open for a few hours on one day a year, or have a limit of 50 applicants, or only be open for a certain demographic, like veterans or disabled adults or families.

Once you get on the waiting list, you can get passed over for years, even if your name is at the very top, in favor or homeless favored groups, mostly families with children. On the other hand, if they can't reach you once you are on the list, they will quickly pass you over and move on to the next person. Also, some people will already have housing, or will have moved away, so they are removed and your name moves up.

Affordable housing for seniors is full before it is ever finished, because there are so many seniors on the waiting lists.

There are special categories of housing other than regular Section 8, like veterans (VASH), rural housing (Section 515), and senior and disabled housing (section 811)

A voucher doesn't guarantee you housing. There is a six month time limit to find housing with a voucher, and even though it's illegal, landlords will often just tell you they have no vacancies or put some insane requirement on the apartments so you cannot qualify. ALWAYS RECORD YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE MANAGERS. The best thing is to ask if there are any vacancies, get a clear picture of what the income requirements are, what the deposit is, etc -- questions a regular prospective tenant would ask -- and when you are approved, then tell them you have a voucher. Landlords who accept vouchers are not allowed to turn you down (but they will). Vouchers are considered legal tender. They may tell you they don't have any of those units available, but that isn't necessarily true. Some apartment complexes do have a limited number of apartments for vouchers, but some don't. They don't want Section 8 tenants because of the required inspections, and they claim those tenants wreck the apartments, which usually is not true.

So it's a trial by fire to even get onto the waiting lists, then to get someone who will take your voucher.

Public housing is sometimes easier to get into, but the properties are usually in bad areas, run down and not safe, but if you're desperate, you'll take what you can get.

I just found out that our voucher program is accepting applications for waiting lists soon, but they are only accepting the first 2000 applicants, so that will be full by the end of the day. I'm still going to try to apply, even though it's a long wait and I may not even be able to stay here long enough to get an apartment. But being homeless moves you up the list, so we'll see what happens.

ETA: Was reminded that you can apply in any place in the US or Puerto Rico that has open applications. There are sites that claim to keep up with that, but they are usually not accurate.