Systemd as tragedy [LWN.net]

Systemd as tragedy

Posted Feb 5, 2019 22:08 UTC (Tue) by johannbg (guest, #65743)
In reply to: Systemd as tragedy by jccleaver
Parent article: Systemd as tragedy

FYI there has not ever been any real upstart integration in any distribution nor upstream with the exception of Chrome/Chromium OS and thats just because Scott did it himself.

So the only person that could truly compare and criticize systemd from upstart perspective is the same man that wrote it and recommended that another init system would written as opposed to his being fixed ( hence systemd got bourne )...

So people can contemplate that *fact" while they continue to riding wishfull thinking pony's in circle, throwing not rocks but bricks in the glass house while worshipping the shell god's and chanting rhymes about glorious sysV, openRC and whatnot.

Bottom line systemd can be critize by many things ( and arguably justly so ) but none of which it has been critizised for in this thread.

Comparing legacy shell script based init systems with systemd is comparing apples to oranges...

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Systemd as tragedy

Posted Feb 6, 2019 0:16 UTC (Wed) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link] (1 responses)

Comparing legacy shell script based init systems with systemd is comparing apples to oranges...

The main advantage of systemd is that it actually exists today. Over and over again we hear a lot about how System-V init or for that matter OpenRC, with just a few bits and pieces added to them, could be far better than systemd, but nobody seems to be prepared to do the drudge work to actually prove this by demonstration.

IOW, one Lennart Poettering who actually releases working code is better than ten people who complain about how bad systemd is, and fantasise about the great code somebody (not them) could write that would make init system XYZ obviously superior to systemd.

Systemd as tragedy

Posted Feb 6, 2019 23:28 UTC (Wed) by johannbg (guest, #65743) [Link]

I'm waiting to see what the bsd communities come up with since they need an service manager along with an ipc to keep themselves relevant in today's age.

I might drop by at the next bsd con to see where they are at with this as in if they have realized they need an service manager ( solaris came up with smf what 10 or tweenty years ago ) and if so are discussing what they can learn from systemd and adapt to their own service manager and what they are going to leave out from systemd or if they are still in denial.

Systemd as tragedy

Posted Feb 11, 2019 22:55 UTC (Mon) by oak (guest, #2786) [Link]

Maemo / MeeGo did have extensive Upstart setup.