Automotive security and safety [LWN.net]

Automotive security and safety

Posted Feb 8, 2016 19:32 UTC (Mon) by nybble41 (subscriber, #55106)
In reply to: Automotive security and safety by raven667
Parent article: Automotive security and safety

> We can also see that when damages via tort are awarded they are much much lower than the full cost of the actual damage done, or the profits gained from doing the damage in the first place, because the courts are loath to bankrupt companies...

So either make the courts do their jobs properly, and/or get out of the way and let the victims organize their own (proportional) response which actually will compensate them for the full damage done. What you are complaining about, in essence, is that the government is protecting the polluters, refusing to hold them accountable when there is demonstrable harm from their actions; and your solution is that the same government should turn around and punish both polluters and innocent third-parties with over-broad regulations not justified by any actual evidence of harm. Just fix the original problem; don't add to it!

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Automotive security and safety

Posted Feb 8, 2016 21:28 UTC (Mon) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]

> let the victims organize their own (proportional) response which actually will compensate them for the full damage done

In a democratic society, the government _is_ a group of people self-organizing to compensate and hold accountable the individual members and groups that those members create, like corporations, for the harm they do to other members, so saying both that government should "get out of the way" and that people should organize to hold polluters accountable and responsible for the problems they cause are fundamentally contradictory statements. "The Government" wasn't created by aliens from Mars and imposed upon us, it is what we created, or failed to create due to lack of attention, and it works as well or as poorly as we allow it to, but any structure which provides the services you describe is a government.